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ophidian

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 4:09 am
by gailr
ophidian
Pronunciation: O-'fi-dE-&n
Function: adjective
Etymology: ultimately from Greek ophis
: of, relating to, or resembling snakes
- ophidian noun
"pertaining to snakes," 1883, from Gk. ophidion, dim. of ophis "serpent," of unknown origin. Hence, ophiolatry "serpent-worship" (1862), and the 2c. sect of the Ophitæ, who revered the serpent as the symbol of divine wisdom. Also ophiomancy (1683), the ancient art of divination by the movements of snakes.
Natural symbols for death and rebirth, snakes have had a love-hate relationship with people throughout history. They got off on the wrong...foot...in Genesis but are redeemed (although only if "brazen") in Numbers. Things rapidly go downhill for them again in the NT, and end somewhat wildly in Revelation.

The Minoans cranked out votive figures of serene, snake-wielding females. The Greeks immortalized Medusa's really bad hair day, Hercules' labor with the Hydra, and gave us the tattoo-friendly eternity symbol Ouroboros.

The Norse envisioned the world snake as Jormangund, a sort of living equator which will bite back at Ragnorak. Nidhogg was a lesser menace, threatening Yggdrasill, the world tree, although he did not have apple issues.

My personal faves, the classical Egyptian myths, show the serpent Apophis menacing Ra's boat of millions of years (although he's getting better hours these days as a stock villain on SciFi's SG1, which only seems like it's run for millions of years).

In parts of Asia the serpent was associated with rains; many first nations people associated them with rainbows and fertility. Quetzalcoatl was a redeemer figure for the Aztecs. The Buddhist and Hindu nagas could be either good or evil; Muchalinda is remembered as the living umbrella over the meditating Buddha.

Ophidian came to mind when I saw the ten-zillionth commercial for Snakes on a Plane. I can't help but notice the similarity of the movie icon to the caduceus. Amazing coincidence or subliminal warning/ophiomancy that these passengers are about to shuffle off the mortal coil?

-gailr
whose rose-colored glasses conceal her ophidian gaze...

Re: ophidian

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:15 am
by skinem
Natural symbols for death and rebirth
Well, THAT explains the caduceus! I've always wondered what snakes had to do with docs.
Very good, informative post Gail.

Skinem-who doesn't understand the "love" part of "love-hate relationship with snakes."

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:14 am
by Bailey
you Wusses! I have lots of snakes uin my yard/garden none of which do anything but startle me. :lol:
I cannot believe the big bad guys whom I've seen whacking away with shovel, on a pitiful garden snake. I like themn Much bretter than their favorite menu item...mice! :o

mark not-afraid-o-nuttin Bailey :?

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:34 am
by skinem
I agree Bailey. Never understood the fear thing about snakes--they're great to have around. (My father-in-law disliked snakes so much he couldn't stand to see even pictures of them!)
The only ones I'll kill around here are the once-a-year copperhead that comes around the house. We have copperheads, rattlesnakes and cottonmouths on our property (sounds like a paradise, doesn't it?) and the only time I'll bother them is around the house. The rattlesnakes are pretty shy, the cottonmouths are most aggressive, but generally I only find them down by the spring. The copperheads are middling agressive and I can find them anywhere on our place, so they are the usual poisonous snake I'll have to dispatch.
So, not askeered of them. But...I've still never understood the attraction some folks have to 'em. Anything that'll cause man to get thrown out of the garden is to be avoided!

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:54 am
by Bailey
poisonous stuff is bad, but we have no poisonous ones here. I think I'll kill the poison ones, but....
I work in the yard a lot- I'll lift a pot, see a small one coiled underneath, I carefully replace the pot, I saw one in the zucchinis yesterday and one in the compost pile. YAY!

mark glad-nature-has-a-balance Bailey

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:18 am
by Stargzer
. . . Anything that'll cause man to get thrown out of the garden is to be avoided!
Well, let's say anything reptilian. I'd hate to have to avoid someone like gailr or Huny. :wink: Twouldn't be no fun in that!

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:03 am
by Huny
. . . Anything that'll cause man to get thrown out of the garden is to be avoided!
Well, let's say anything reptilian. I'd hate to have to avoid someone like gailr or Huny. :wink: Twouldn't be no fun in that!
Geezer, have I told you lately how intuitive you are? He-he. But, I must admit, I am the sign of The Scorpio http://www.astrology-online.com/scorpio.htm ( and so is my Mom, my best friend, and both my ex-mother-in-laws) and as you all know by now, I have the sting to go with it. But I can also turn on the huny when needed. :wink: Disclaimer: I will neither confirm nor deny any traits that are listed in the above link as my own...well, maybe just a few... :oops:

Gailr, wonderful post. There is a lot of information to reap from it. Although this California city girl has had a bad run-in with a cotton mouth while living in Arkansas, I have no fondness for them. That will be the last time I ever take a stroll down a country dirt road in this lifetime. Let us just say, Jesus can walk on water, Huny can run on air. :shock:

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:04 am
by Perry
Once while training in the Negev Desert, I threw myself on the ground (it was a fire off 3 rounds while running then hit the dirt, repeat, etc. kind of drill) to reload, only to discover that I was an inch away from a viper's nest; replete with about 6 baby vipers in residence. I was awfully grateful that the mother snake was out for a stroll at the time!

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:47 pm
by Stargzer
Once
. . . I was awfully grateful that the mother snake was out for a stroll at the time!
She was probably out on maneuvers with Hamas or Hezbollah . . . :twisted:

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:15 pm
by Perry
It was in 1980. More likely the PLO or George Habash.

Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:25 pm
by Bailey
he looks like an Amalakite to me,

mark