Umami

[eberntson]

n. A taste that is characteristic of monosodium glutamate and is associated with meats and other high-protein foods. It is sometimes considered to be a fifth basic taste along with sweet, sour, salty, and bitter.

But a better explanation can be found at the following links:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119706514515417586.html
http://online.wsj.com/media/Umami_WSJ120707.gif
http://podcast.mktw.net/wsj/audio/20071 ... sjwknd.mp3

[Bailey]

Please do not ingest any MSG it is an excito-toxin that is injected into rats, by scientsts to induce obesity so they can study fatness. Also it kills brain cells, and I'm running on so few now.......

mark on-my-last-cells Bailey

[Bailey]

Unfortunately MSG in one of it's many incarnations/guises can be found in way too many foods these days.

mB

[eberntson]

Please post some of the other guises of MSG, I am very interested.

However, umami is not MSG... just to be clear. I think it is interesting that they attribute the flavor "Savory" to Umami and say that it is the discovery of Japan. Not really an accurate statement. I say this because I have at least two old cooking texts that mention the savory flavor and they are from the 14th & the 16th century. Oh and a 18th century English butler text too.

It is so interesting that people get so excited just because someone says it is exciting to drum up more business for the holidays. My favorite savory right now is making gravy old Italian style where you cook meats on low in gravy for about 6 hours, now that is savory. I have to go eat something now, I'm to hungry... Bon Appetite!

[Perry]

Call it umami or yo' mama, I don't care. But there is something that gets to me when I have a good chunk of Parmigiano in my mouth. (A good thing I just had a big lunch, or I would be making myself hungry!)

[Bailey]

Monosodium Glutamate (the following is a list of hidden sources of MSG )
Additives that Always Contain MSG:

Monosodium Glutamate
Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein Hydrolyzed Protein
Hydrolyzed Plant Extract
Plant Protein Extract
Sodium Caseinate
Yeast Extract
Texturized Protein
Autolyzed Yeast
Hydrolyzed Oat Flour
Calcium Caseinate
Additives that Frequently Contain MSG:

Malt Extract
Bouillon
Stock
Natural Flavoring Seasonings
Malt Flavoring
Broth Flavoring
Natural Beef or Chicken Flavoring
Spices
These are from a website that talks about excito-toxins, here is another and it's pen names
Aspartame, aspartate, Cysteine, cysteic acid,

(2)Thinkaboutit.com/Excitotoxins and You by Reenie L. Mahon
http://www.think-aboutit.com/health/Exc ... andYou.htm
more info:
PAM ROTELLA VEGETARIAN FUN PAGE/ASPARTAME,MSG AND OTHER EXCITO-TOXINS
http://www.pamrotella.com/health/excitotoxins.htm
Weston A. Price foundatioF.org/Excitotoxins: The Taste that Kills
http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews ... oxins.html
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In my studying, I've found out that all prepared[processed stuff you buy already prepared] soups contain enough MSG to make you plenty sick, and Taco Bell? KFC? forgetaboutit. They are all so laced with excito-toxins, you could be vegetative in a week! because it tastes so good for a reason, High Fructose corn syrup is making us fatter and more diabetic all the time, the additives and poisons in our foods would amaze you were I to tell you all. Just the ingredients in a soda would knock your socks off as to what it does to the human body.

mark not-so-thrilled-about-toxins Bailey

[sluggo]

Thank you Mark. I'm going to print that out and wear it on my wrist.
No wonder I hate going to the stupormarket.

-Sluggo, still incensed that he can't buy sliced turkey without sugar, of all creatures...

[Bailey]

Slugger, if that interests you then you should also know that white flour is now bleached with something called alloxan an ingredient everyone [but the manufacturers] agrees causes Diabetes, in fact it's what the scientists inject in rats to give them Diabetes to study it in rats.

mark studies-this-stuff Bailey

[sluggo]

Bleah. Bleaching should be reserved for the cheap baseball seats.

Well isn't that what bleachers would do?

Saw a truck -twice this week- advertising itself as "Asheville Recker (sic) Service"

[Stargzer]

Slugger, if that interests you then you should also know that white flour is now bleached with something called alloxan an ingredient everyone [but the manufacturers] agrees causes Diabetes, in fact it's what the scientists inject in rats to give them Diabetes to study it in rats.

mark studies-this-stuff Bailey

Well, then, I guess one can't trust Wikipedia:

Alloxan

...

Impact upon beta cells
Because it selectively kills the insulin-producing beta-cells found in the pancreas, Alloxan is used to induce diabetes in laboratory animals. This occurs most likely because of selective uptake of the compound due to its structural similarity to glucose as well as the beta-cell's highly efficient uptake mechanism (GLUT2).

A 2005 website article links the presence of alloxan as an additive in white flour to the occurrence of diabetes and offers vitamine E as a countermeasure.[1] However, no scientific evidence to date substantiates this health food claim. As a matter of fact, scientific evidence shows that alloxan is not even toxic to the human beta-cell, even in very high doses, probably due to differing glucose uptake mechanisms in humans and rodents.[2][3]This drug is, however, toxic to the liver and the kidneys in high doses.

...

References

1. http://www.newstarget.com/008191.html

2. Tyrberg B, Andersson A, Borg L (2001). "Species differences in susceptibility of transplanted and cultured pancreatic islets to the beta-cell toxin alloxan". Gen Comp Endocrinol 122 (3): 238-51. PMID 11356036.

3. Eizirik D, Pipeleers D, Ling Z, Welsh N, Hellerström C, Andersson A (1994). "Major species differences between humans and rodents in the susceptibility to pancreatic beta-cell injury". Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 91 (20): 9253-6. PMID 7937750.

Note that many things, including life-preserving prescription medications, can be toxic to the liver and kidneys in high doses.

Humans are not rodents, although I've know more than a few humans who give rats a bad name.

[sluggo]

Allosame, there's plenty nuff scary about while flour that I'll keep mine unchlorinated, details be dammed.

[Stargzer]

"Let them eat cake, as long as it's buckwheat."

[Bailey]

Geezer, you may have ALL my share of those "life-preserving drugs, and in fact all of Allopathic medicine, I know better, as far as Alloxan, check a bit farther, you'll find that I'm right.

mark wiki??????-no!!!! Bailey

[Stargzer]

"Umami, can this really be the end,
To be stuck inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues again."

[Bailey]

"Umami, can this really be the end,
To be stuck inside of Mobile with the Memphis Blues again."

Mr. Thomas you ain't; but I like I like!

mark Dylan-other-herbs Bailey