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Fiasco

Postby Cacasenno » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:26 am

Fiasco

PRONUNCIATION: f-sk, -äsk
NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. fi·as·coes or fi·as·cos
A complete failure.
ETYMOLOGY: French, from Italian fare fiasco, to make a bottle, fail, from fiasco, bottle (perhaps translation of French bouteille, bottle, error, used by the French for linguistic errors committed by Italian actors on the 18th-century French stage), from Late Latin flasc. See flask.


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Postby Perry » Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:35 am

fiasco
1855, theater slang for "a failure," by 1862 acquired the general sense of any dismal flop, on or off the stage. Via Fr. phrase fiare fiasco "turn out a failure," from It. far fiasco "suffer a complete breakdown in performance," lit. "make a bottle," from fiasco "bottle," from L.L. flasco, flasconem (see flask). The reason for all this is utterly obscure today, but "the usual range of fanciful theories has been advanced" [Ayto]. Weekley finds it utterly mysterious and compares Fr. ramasser un pelle "to come a cropper (in bicycling), lit. to pick up a shovel." OED makes nebulous reference to "alleged incidents in Italian theatrical history." Klein suggests Venetian glass-crafters tossing aside imperfect pieces to be made later into common flasks. But according to an Italian dictionary, fare il fiasco used to mean "to play a game so that the one that loses will pay the fiasco," in other words, he will buy the next bottle (of wine). That plausibly connects the word with the notion of "a costly mistake."
I never realized that this word has such a colorful origin.
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Postby Cacasenno » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:14 am

By the way, fiasco (of uncertain German origin?) in Italian is the kind of fat glass bottle covered with straw that was typical of Chianti wine.
Fiasco also as a failure, just as in English.

Fiasca is the flattened out smaller portable version, more like a flask.

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Re: Fiasco

Postby Stargzer » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:03 pm

Fiasco

. . . (perhaps translation of French bouteille, bottle, error, used by the French for linguistic errors committed by Italian actors on the 18th-century French stage), from Late Latin flasc. See flask.


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Perhaps a bottle error occurred because the actors were hitting the bottle. French would have driven me to drink in high school it the drinking age had been lowered to 16. :)


Hmmmm. Maybe we should lower the drinking age and raise the driving age so teens can get drinking out of their system before they learn to drive.
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Postby Perry » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:44 am

When the drinking age was 21 and I was 15-17 I never got carded. When the age was lowered in Michigan to 18, and I was 18 (three days later), that's when I got carded. :shock:
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Postby gailr » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:40 pm

When I reached legal age, I noticed that clerks and bouncers were more apt to check girls' IDs than boys'. This violated my sexist assumptions, but (I guess) it allowed in the people most apt to buy in quantity.

After I was ma'amed (a topic painfully explored on another thread!) I sometimes queued for a senior citizen working as a checkout clerk. He took his carding duties seriously, lugubriously scrutinizing the driver's licenses of everyone who came through his line with alcohol. They could be, clearly, his contemporaries, with heavily wrinkled faces and sparse, graying hair. He was not fooled. He still took the license and read it with the concentration of a Bible Codes conspiracy fanatic. That he had checked you out every week for a year was irrelevant. License, please, and the one-minute stare. It could have been irritating, but it always struck me as funny.

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Postby Perry » Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:53 pm

About 2 years ago, on the same day, I was carded at Wal-Mart when I bought some wine, and then asked if I was taking out a grandparents' membership at Health Adventure (I was with my then 10 year old daughter).
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Postby gailr » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:52 am

:mrgreen:
The training scripts don't have to make sense in context, Perry, as long as they hit them all...



Cacasenno: do you have these carding issues in your town?

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Postby Cacasenno » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:49 am

Cacasenno: do you have these carding issues in your town?
Here in Italy, after the age of 18(*) we can drink all the wine or grappa we wish to. :P :wink:

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Postby Stargzer » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:24 am

That must explain Italian drivers ... :lol:
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Postby Stargzer » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:27 am

:mrgreen:
The training scripts don't have to make sense in context, Perry, as long as they hit them all...
...
There are some liquor stores that card everyone regardless of age to avoid complaints of age discrimination. Also, it keeps them safe from the police who employ under-age but older-looking recruits to test for underage drinking.
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Postby Stargzer » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:22 pm

Hey, Cacaseno! Wasn't the Fiasco a Fiat that never made it into production? :lol:
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Postby sluggo » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:00 pm

Hey, Cacaseno! Wasn't the Fiasco a Fiat that never made it into production? :lol:
It must have made it, 'cause I bought it. :oops:
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Postby Bailey » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:57 pm

well it wouldn't have been the first Fiat that had been a fiasco.

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Postby Cacasenno » Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:34 am

Hey, Cacaseno! Wasn't the Fiasco a Fiat that never made it into production? :lol:

Wrong: it was produced :lol:


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