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Postby Grogie » Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:32 pm

I discovered this interesting name for a tree a few days ago. It names a tree of the species Araucaria that grows in the southern part of South America and some islands in the Pacific. A related tree is the Norfolk Island Pine.
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Re: monkey puzzle

Postby Stargzer » Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:44 pm

Grogie wrote:I discovered this interesting name for a tree a few days ago. It names a tree of the species Araucaria that grows in the southern part of South America and some islands in the Pacific. A related tree is the Norfolk Island Pine.


Hmmm! Monkey Puzzle Tree or Chilean Pine! Perhaps Uncronopio can shed some more light on this tree.

Aha! Wikipedia says:

The origin of the popular English name Monkey-puzzle derives from its early cultivation in Britain in about 1850, when the species was still very rare in gardens and not widely known. The proud owner of a young specimen at Pencarrow garden (website) near Bodmin in Cornwall was showing it to a group of friends, and one made the remark "It would puzzle a monkey to climb that"; as the species had no existing popular name, first 'monkey-puzzler', then 'monkey-puzzle' stuck. As a practical exercise, a monkey trying to climb one would not be so much puzzled as injured by the razor-sharp leaf edges. However, as monkeys are not found in the species' native range, the question does not arise. Prior to 1850, it had been called Joseph Bank's Pine or Chile Pine in Britain, both somewhat confusing as it is not a pine. The species' original Mapuche Native American name Pehuén is now also becoming more widely used as an alternative common name in English.
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Postby Grogie » Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:47 pm

Thanks Stargazer. Wonderful information!
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Postby KatyBr » Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:01 pm

I found this lovely pic:
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cool tree, I'm sure I've seen this live.
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Re: monkey puzzle

Postby gailr » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:10 pm

Stargzer wrote:
Aha! Wikipedia says:
The species' original Mapuche Native American name Pehuén is now also becoming more widely used as an alternative common name in English.


This name sounds suspiciously like Nahuatl to me...

(not that there's anything inherently wrong with that...)

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Postby Grogie » Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:35 am

Thanks for the wonderful picture Katy. I didn,t know what the tree looked like.
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Postby Brazilian dude » Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:59 am

I wonder what its Spanish/Portuguese name is. I can't associate with anything I know. Anyway, I'm not much of a dendrologist myself.

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Postby gailr » Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:19 pm

You don't know squat about trees?
Say it ain't so, dude!
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Postby Brazilian dude » Sat Oct 29, 2005 9:30 am

Well, I do, I know trees can be big or small and have leaves or not. That's good enough, don't you think?

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Postby gailr » Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:53 pm

Good enough, dude. Although, as the seasons change in colder climes, people occasionally toss around snooty terms such as deciduous and evergreen.

I am enjoying the constant fall and susurrus mounds of leaves from the aspens. What they lack in stature, compared to the Monkey Puzzles, they make up for in approachability.
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Postby Stargzer » Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:36 pm

gailr wrote: . . . I am enjoying the constant fall and susurrus mounds of leaves from the aspens. . . .
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It is also sometimes said that aspen leaves are made from female tongues, and their quivering is due to women's inability to stop talking.
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Postby M. Henri Day » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:42 am

Stargzer wrote:...

It is also sometimes said that aspen leaves are made from female tongues, and their quivering is due to women's inability to stop talking.


Or, on the contrary, say only what they are instructed to say, as noted dendrologist Irving Lewis Libby indicates in a now famous letter :

... Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them....


Forsättningen följer, as we say here....

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Postby Stargzer » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:31 pm

M. Henri Day wrote: . . . Forsättningen följer, as we say here....

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The load subsidence follows


Thanks (I think), SYSTRAnet.

Is that related to Pride going first?
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Postby gailr » Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:24 am

Stargzer wrote:
It is also sometimes said that aspen leaves are made from female tongues, and their quivering is due to women's inability to stop talking.

I was wondering if anyone would read the links. Fortunately, some of the males on this board are no slouches at talking, either. :wink:
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Postby Stargzer » Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:22 pm

gailr wrote:
Stargzer wrote:
It is also sometimes said that aspen leaves are made from female tongues, and their quivering is due to women's inability to stop talking.

I was wondering if anyone would read the links. Fortunately, some of the males on this board are no slouches at talking, either. :wink:
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See my post under Res Diversa/New PhpBB Version. :twisted:
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