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Posted: **Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:48 am**

Some cyclists I ride with are planning to order custom cycling jerseys, and they want to included a Latin motto, the English translation of which is "Bicycles and Beer."

We have two alternative translations for "bicycles" namely
"bicycli" (from "bi, bis," two or twice and the plural of "cyclus," cycle, wheel, ring, etc.)

or
"duorotae" ("duo," two and the plural of "rota," wheel)

Any comments on these alternatives?

But so far I haven't found any suggestions for the Latin word for "beer." Does anyone know what the Romans drank when the weren't drinking wine?

Thanks for your help and expertise.

Posted: **Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:19 pm**

Just as an aside it reminds me of when I started in later life to exercise by riding a bike, while smoking cigarettes.

But maybe I'm more sensitive to ironical behavior, and oxy morons than most.

I have no help for your motto, Just an old person's silly fancies.

mark bicicletas-y-cerveza Bailey

Posted: **Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:58 pm**

Beer is cerevisia. Easy for a biochemist - the yeast used is Saccharomyces cerevisiae.

Although I'm familiar with lots of mono-, bi- and polycyclic compounds, I had to use the Internet to find your bicycle: birota.

Posted: **Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:05 pm**

Well there's Latin and there's latin.

mark gets-beer-from-south-of-the-border Bailey

Posted: **Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:46 pm**

From the Perseus Project:

cervisia , cervesia , or cerevi-sia , ae, f. [Gallic] ,

I. beer, Plin. 22, 25, 82, § 164; Dig. 33, 6, 9; Isid. Orig. 20, 3, 17; Edict. Diocl. 2, 11.

Whence most likely comes Bailey's south-of-the-border brew:

cerveza f beer
cerveza de barril, draught beer
cerveza sin alcohol, alcohol-free beer ➣ Ver nota en ale

- Diccionario Espasa Concise: Español-Inglés English-Spanish
© Espasa-Calpe, S.A., Madrid 2000

fermentum , i, n. [contr. for fervimentum, from fervo, ferveo] ,

I. that which causes fermentation, leaven, yeast, ferment.

I. Lit., Plin. 18, 11, 26, § 102; 18, 7, 12, § 68: panis sine fermento, unleavened bread, Cels. 2, 24 ; 30; Vulg. Levit. 2, 4.--

B. Transf.

1. That which loosens the soil, Plin. 17, 21, 35, § 159; cf. Col. 4, 1, 7.--

2. A drink made of fermented barley, malt liquor, beer, Verg. G. 3, 380.-- [Hic noctem ludo ducunt et pocula laeti
380
fermento atque acidis imitantur vitea sorbis.]

II. Trop., anger, passion (poet. and very rare): (uxor) nunc in fermento tota est, ita turget mihi, Plaut. Cas. 2, 5, 17 ; id. Merc. 5, 3, 3.--Poet. transf., of the cause of anger or vexation: accipe et istud Fermentum tibi habe, Juv. 3, 188 .

How appropriate to start a sentence dealing with beer with the word "Hic!"

camum , i, n.,

I. a kind of beer, Dig. 33, 7, 12; Edict. Diocl. p. 28.

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