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As an engineer and pilot, I am often involved with problems concerning mass and weight. Stone, as used to mean 14 pounds, always intrigued me, mostly from an etymological and cultural standpoint. Great Britain uses it, but was it ever common in the United States?
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So, you weren't bleeding on that rainy day?but it's alright ma, everyone must get stoned.
mark from-an-embarrassing-incident-in-my-youth Bailey
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The stone is not a US measure, nor has it been, as far as I can tell, since Colonial times. The stone was officially fixed at 14lb by legislation in the year 1352. Following independence, the US adopted a system based on a hundredweight (cwt) of 100lb, while the British chose a system based on the 112lb hundredweight. So the US ton (known as the short ton) is 2000lb, while the British (long) ton is 2240lb. Since a stone is 14lb, eight stone makes a British (long) hundredweight, while the number of stone in an American (short) hundredweight would be 7.1428 - obviously not a very practical unit of measure, especially before the age of pocket calculators. The stone is therefore not used in the US. In the UK - despite the fact that the British are said to be inching towards the metric system - stone is generally used to express a person's weight.
As an interesting aside, the US gallon is the same as the old British "wine gallon" as established in 1707. The Brits adopted the Imperial gallon (legislated in the 1824 Weights and Measures Act). The US gallon is 128 fl. oz., while the Imperial gallon is 160 fl. oz.
A weighty topic, indeed. Now, don't get me started on the subject of monetary systems. I still miss my Pounds, Shillings and Pence.
-- PW
As an interesting aside, the US gallon is the same as the old British "wine gallon" as established in 1707. The Brits adopted the Imperial gallon (legislated in the 1824 Weights and Measures Act). The US gallon is 128 fl. oz., while the Imperial gallon is 160 fl. oz.
A weighty topic, indeed. Now, don't get me started on the subject of monetary systems. I still miss my Pounds, Shillings and Pence.
-- PW
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention to arrive safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow!!! What a ride!"
not exactly, I; a total nerd, quoted P. Simon who was quoting Dylan and couldn't figure out why everyone laughed.So, you weren't bleeding on that rainy day?but it's alright ma, everyone must get stoned.
mark from-an-embarrassing-incident-in-my-youth Bailey
mark-still-a-nerd Bailey
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Nope, we colonials hung on to the more sensible units of measure, such as the furlong (now relegated to horse racing) [= 40 rods = 10 chains = 220 yards = 660 feet = 1/8 mile]; the fat quarter (darling of quilters) [yard of fabric = 36" long by 44" wide; a fat quarter is 18" x 22"]; and the fifth (alcohol, not music, and it seems cruel indeed to put a drinker through this kind of math!) [= 4/5 quart = 1/5 gallon = 757.084 ml]....while the number of stone in an American (short) hundredweight would be 7.1428 - obviously not a very practical unit of measure, especially before the age of pocket calculators.
-gailr
Don't even get me started on the month, which can be 28, 29, 30, or 31 days, depending on some very suspect calculations.
Don't forget other sensible standards of measure. Such as the fathom (measure of water depth=6 feet), the barrel (31 gallons of fermented beverage, or 42 gallons of oil), penny (size of a nail, perhaps from the original price per hundred), the acre (equal to 43,560 square feet), and the acre-foot ( a measurement of irrigation--the volume of water that would cover an acre to a depth of one foot).
Yup, all these measurements make sense and are uniform!
Yup, all these measurements make sense and are uniform!
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The metric system is based on the kind of rational, enlightened principles with which the Lord seems to choose only to bless the French.Nope, we colonials hung on to the more sensible units of measure, such as the furlong (now relegated to horse racing) [= 40 rods = 10 chains = 220 yards = 660 feet = 1/8 mile]; the fat quarter (darling of quilters) [yard of fabric = 36" long by 44" wide; a fat quarter is 18" x 22"]; and the fifth (alcohol, not music, and it seems cruel indeed to put a drinker through this kind of math!) [= 4/5 quart = 1/5 gallon = 757.084 ml]....while the number of stone in an American (short) hundredweight would be 7.1428 - obviously not a very practical unit of measure, especially before the age of pocket calculators.
-gailr
Don't even get me started on the month, which can be 28, 29, 30, or 31 days, depending on some very suspect calculations.
After the Revolution, their Academy of Sciences chose as the definition of a meter a length ten-millionths of the meridian distance between the North Pole, through Paris (naturally) to the Equator. There's rational for you. Of course, they messed it up by an inch or so, but it sure sounded rational and enlightened at the time, I'm sure. Today, the best definition of a meter is the length travelled by light in a vacuum in a 1/299,792,458th of a second. Nice and easy to remember, right?
Personally, I prefer an anthropocentric approach to the rather pedestrian geocentric approach. I mean, a foot is....um...a foot. At least mine is. I also like measurements that leave room for some imagination, like "a pinch" or "a dash" or "a while" or even "a $hitload". Not to mention "a wee dram."
Think I'll put my two bits
On cubits
-- PW
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention to arrive safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow!!! What a ride!"
I also like the measurments that are as much expressions as measures. But for day to day usage, I prefer the metric system. I don't care if the rational for setting the meter is flawed. I just like the way the units relate to each other.Personally, I prefer an anthropocentric approach to the rather pedestrian geocentric approach. I mean, a foot is....um...a foot. At least mine is. I also like measurements that leave room for some imagination, like "a pinch" or "a dash" or "a while" or even "a $hitload". Not to mention "a wee dram."
Think I'll put my two bits
On cubits
-- PW
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Let us not forget the acre, please! 160 sqare rods?
Noun 1. rod - a linear measure of 16.5 feeta·cre (kr)
n.
1. Abbr. a. or ac. A unit of area in the U.S. Customary System, used in land and sea floor measurement and equal to 160 square rods, 4,840 square yards, or 43,560 square feet. See Table at measurement.
2. acres Property in the form of land; estate.
3. A wide expanse, as of land or other matter. Often used in the plural: "Everything was streaky pink marble and acres of textureless carpeting" Anne Tyler.
4. Archaic A field or plot of arable land.
[Middle English aker, field, acre, from Old English æcer; see agro- in Indo-European roots.]
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words AntonymsNoun 1. acre - a unit of area (4840 square yards) used in English-speaking countries
area unit, square measure - a system of units used to measure areas
2. Acre - a territory of western Brazil bordering on Bolivia and Peru
district, territorial dominion, territory, dominion - a region marked off for administrative or other purposes
3. Acre - a town and port in northwestern Israel in the eastern Mediterranean
Accho, Akka, Akko
port - a place (seaport or airport) where people and merchandise can enter or leave a country
town - an urban area with a fixed boundary that is smaller than a city; "they drive through town on their way to work"
Israel, State of Israel, Yisrael, Zion, Sion - Jewish republic in southwestern Asia at eastern end of Mediterranean; formerly part of Palestine
nowhere have I measured anything by a rod.
mark get-a-chalkline Bailey
Last edited by Bailey on Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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kb
Fabric is generally cut perpendicular to the selvage edges. Thus, a quarter yard would be a 9" long x 44" wide; this affects cutting for larger prints or some patterns. A fat quarter gives a more usable piece to start from for some types of projects. Hope that clears it up.But why is a fat quarter fat? It sounds like it's just a quarter, no more!
Other interesting divisions: when blending oils for perfumes and such, I am amused by recipes using apothecary measurements.
1 ounce = 8 drams = 60 grains; 1 scruple = 20 grains. Contemporary "drops" (albeit sometimes imprecise) are easier to count, although they don't sound as exotic...
-gailr
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