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Postby Bailey » Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:14 pm

ok here they are:
Title: Ink Spots - Java Jive lyrics

Artist: Ink Spots



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JAVA JIVE

I love coffee, I love tea
I love the java jive and it loves me
Coffee and tea and the jivin' and me
A cup, a cup, a cup, a cup, a cup!

I love java, sweet and hot
Whoops! Mr. Moto, I'm a coffee pot
Shoot me the pot and I'll pour me a shot
A cup, a cup, a cup, a cup, a cup!

Oh, slip me a slug from the wonderful mug
And I cut a rug till I'm snug in a jug
A slice of onion and a raw one, draw one.
Waiter, waiter, percolator!

I love coffee, I love tea
I love the java jive and it loves me
Coffee and tea and the jivin' and me
A cup, a cup, a cup, a cup, a cup!

Boston bean, soy bean
Lima bean, string bean.
You know that I'm not keen for a bean
Unless it is a cheery coffee bean.

I love coffee, I love tea
I love the java jive and it loves me
Coffee and tea and the jivin' and me
A cup, a cup, a cup, a cup, a cup!

I love java, sweet and hot
Whoops! Mr. Moto, I'm a coffee pot
Shoot me the pot and I'll pour me a shot
A cup, a cup, a cup, a cup, a cup!

Oh, slip me a slug from the wonderful mug
And I cut a rug till I'm snug in a jug
Drop me a nickel in my pot, Joe, Takin' it slow.
Waiter, waiter, percolator!

I love coffee, I love tea
I love the java jive and it loves me
Coffee and tea and the jivin' and me
A cup, a cup, a cup, a cup, a cup

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Postby sluggo » Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:50 pm

Bailey wrote:Oh, slip me a slug from the wonderful mug...


Ah, now one gets it. No idea was had by this writer that that song had words.

Ink Spots? One is suddenly feeling young...

So who's Mr. Moto? A code name for Isaac Asimov?

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Postby Bailey » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:41 am

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Can a machine use a personal pronoun?

Postby melissa » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:19 pm

Yes, How is this different from a person, you or me, saying 'I'? I interact with avatars, tho not the postal type so much, but ... I don't doubt I have conversed with bots and thought they were human, also conversed with humans who mislead me. Think customer service with any major cable/isp company. I expect a certain amount of fakery and just put up with it.

/seriously, have more respect for some machines
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Re: Can a machine use a personal pronoun?

Postby Bailey » Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:47 am

melissa wrote:Yes, How is this different from a person, you or me, saying 'I'? I interact with avatars, tho not the postal type so much, but ... I don't doubt I have conversed with bots and thought they were human, also conversed with humans who mislead me. Think customer service with any major cable/isp company. I expect a certain amount of fakery and just put up with it.

/seriously, have more respect for some machines

you interact with avatars? how strange, far beyond my own personal foolishness to understand.


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Postby Perry » Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:04 am

I rarely use the self check-out stations in Ingles (a NC based grocery chain) or WalMart. They tend to get very bossy and impatient about bagging the purchased item, or scanning the next item. I don't like to bag a gallon jug of milk; it already has a handle. But these systems insist on it.

I usually talk back to the systems as well. Normally, I am a calm and patient shopper; but not in such circumstances.
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Postby Bailey » Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:08 am

I never use them, I will not interact with machines. In fact I get peevish with voicemail and occasionally mess with their systems by pushing buttons at random. Sometimes even on purpose.

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Re: Can a machine use a personal pronoun?

Postby sluggo » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:00 pm

melissa wrote:Yes, How is this different from a person, you or me, saying 'I'? I interact with avatars, tho not the postal type so much, but ... I don't doubt I have conversed with bots and thought they were human, also conversed with humans who mislead me. Think customer service with any major cable/isp company. I expect a certain amount of fakery and just put up with it.

/seriously, have more respect for some machines


Dealing with them is one thing, e.g. the aforementioned stupormarket checkoutbots (I use 'em now and then but I talk back. a lot.). That's a 21st century hazard. My complaint is on their use of the pronoun I, which was heretofore reserved (so I thought) for sentient beings capable of speech and thought.

It's not the use of the first person (though it would be awkward without the personal I), it just strikes me as corrosive when we raise the machine to our level (or really, pretend we have done so through programming), and leaves me to wonder what we were thinking.

Ultimately I guess I'm just offended by the inherent dishonesty.

On the other side of the coin -those phony phone voices- I've nothing but contempt for those ex-humans who've given up said humanity along with attempts at thought, parrot the script impersonally and still expect to deal with the living.

Bailey wrote:I never use them, I will not interact with machines. In fact I get peevish with voicemail and occasionally mess with their systems by pushing buttons at random. Sometimes even on purpose.


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Postby Bailey » Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:59 pm

yup, I'm a Luddite, I am, and I don't care who knows. I've seen the 'light' and it's damned dim. Too many modern miracles are less miraculous than actually cause more problems than they solve. I can use technology but have have nothing but comtempt for it.

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Re: Can a machine use a personal pronoun?

Postby gailr » Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:11 am

melissa wrote:I interact with avatars,
Life is an illusion, grasshopper. One must exercise discretion when interacting with avatars.

/seriously, have more respect for some machines
I believe the correct form for this type of statement is:
srsly. av m0r rSp3c 4 sme cmputAs
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Perry wrote:I rarely use the self check-out stations in Ingles (a NC based grocery chain) or WalMart. They tend to get very bossy and impatient about bagging the purchased item, or scanning the next item. I don't like to bag a gallon jug of milk; it already has a handle. But these systems insist on it.

I usually talk back to the systems as well. Normally, I am a calm and patient shopper; but not in such circumstances.
I see many of us exhibit this from of insanity. (repetition of a ... bootless ... activity, expecting different results) It's interesting to snarl, sotto voce, "I don't WANT a bag!" or "I DID enter the code!" only to catch the horrified, smirking pity of a y-gen. I remember wearing that expression when hearing Old People express fear of the new automatic teller machines...
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Postby melissa » Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:04 pm

I believe the correct form for this type of statement is:
srsly. av m0r rSp3c 4 sme cmputAs

Or, Can I haz internetz now? but works better with a kitteh avatar.
Grasshopper, I am, but did not invent the use of the word, and hate that it was taken over for that purpose.
I still feel that when a machine addresses me, it is speaking in the first person.
And when my personal assistant becomes a simple stone, I address it as you ... ****ing *****!
Then i get all stabby with the mouse.
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Postby sluggo » Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:46 pm

melissa wrote:I still feel that when a machine addresses me, it is speaking in the first person. ...


It is indeed. The dilemma is whether in doing so, it, as an it, has the right to do refer to itself with a personal pronoun.

Why does it matter? I dunno, I guess by proclaiming itself an I and implicitly claiming free will, the machine has challenged the user's authority and made (or implied) a duopoly out of what was supposed to be a nice mellow master-slave relationship. :evil:
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Postby gailr » Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:33 am

melissa wrote:Or, Can I haz internetz now? but works better with a kitteh avatar.

LOLZ

Then i get all stabby with the mouse.
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Postby sluggo » Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:22 am

I'm mortifiedly afraid to ask about kitteh...
Strange expressions they has over there in Hoppre de Grass. :?
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Postby Bailey » Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:03 pm

melissa wrote:Then I get all stabby with the mouse.
I just slam mine down on it's stupid pad a few times, btw, when I was working for a dot come we ordered a container of mice-mouses[?] from China, we had a small discussion going about the plurals, until the crash.....

My keyboard has a few keys due to my abuse that no longer work with a light touch but are kinda touchy about working at all.

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