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Postby Slava » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:56 pm

beck123 wrote:Could you link us all to that book on punctuation, please?

http://www.amazon.com/Eats-Shoots-Leave ... 303&sr=8-1
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Postby beck123 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:33 pm

Thanks. I'll probably only read it for a short period, since I have an irritable colon; but don't quote me on that.
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Postby beck123 » Wed Jan 27, 2010 11:38 pm

The sheep's for you, Luke, but don't expect it to have a life expectancy measured in years.
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Postby Slava » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:07 am

beck123 wrote:The sheep's for you, Luke, but don't expect it to have a life expectancy measured in years.
That is one sheep with 'tude, dude.

By the way, your avatar and signature undergo universal replacement. That is to say, when you make the change in the future, all your previous posts take on the new information, too. So, Beck, when the sheep baa's out, this last post of yours won't make any sense to future generations. In case you're concerned.
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Postby beck123 » Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:23 am

Thanks. That's what was behind my "life expectancy" comment, but I didn't think of future readers. I feel a little sheepish about that.
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Postby LukeJavan8 » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:20 pm

Beck, the book can be found on Amazon. Just Google
in the title. Amazon's cost is $13.95. I put it on wish
list.
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Postby LukeJavan8 » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:28 pm

As for the book, sorry, Slava, I did not see your post
on the next page before I posted mine (have to learn
the site yet, and turning the page is one thing to learn.)

The sheep is for me, Beck?
How THOUGHTFUL OF YOU, though I don't know what I
did to deserve it. This being cattle country and all.
As for being "sheepish": bah humbug. You and saparris
can get into the puns, I am not good at them.

\But thanks for the sheep anyhow, Does it have a name????
Saparris is trying to get us avatars. I don't understand how as computers mystify me, and I get all tangled, especially last weekend with doug's site.
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Postby LukeJavan8 » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:14 pm

TWENTY-FOUR
same rules I learned: spell out 1-9 and numerals for the
rest, and never begin a sentence with a numeral.
Of course Lincoln's "Four score and ten years ago...."
would probably beg to differ.
Todays world is a different one, for sure, and the movie
"10" started it (yuk,yuk) in some ways.
CNN has a program called "360". CBS has "60 minutes".
So I guess we are in a minority, beck.
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Re: Yall and yuns

Postby sluggo » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:20 pm

beck123 wrote:
The apostrophe becomes a problem when the next, logical steps are taken with the new construction. If seen as a contraction, then a phrase like "Here are y'all's tickets" begins to accumulate too many apostrophes for our simple language. Using the phrase as a free-standing possessive pronoun, it reads "Here are yalls tickets," where "yall" is the root pronoun and "yalls" the possessive form in parallel with "her" and "hers," "their" and "theirs." And yet in this form, it seems to lack a needed apostrophe.


It does indeed. If yall be considered complete, then the possessive must be yall's. But we already deal with multiple apostrophes when needed (he'll've, she'll've)

beck123 wrote: As I wrote elsewhere in the forum, my opinion is that we shouldn't be writing in this (or any) dialect, anyway; but people do, so I suppose it needs to be addressed.


I kinna disagree more, lad. Dialect gives character to prose. Ax Mark Twain.

With all the technology available, dialects should be
disappearing - TV, radio, etc. : we can hear each other
and speak to each other. This should ultimately
eliminate the Boston "drawl", southern stuff, midwestern
whatever.


Let's hope this never happens (it already is happening, but we can dream). What a boring world it would be where everything is identical. :oops:

And I hold hope that, were we to reach that point, the creative among us would deliberately come up with variances.

As sum office already due :mrgreen:
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Postby LukeJavan8 » Thu Jan 28, 2010 1:58 pm

In another post, I forget where,
Beck and I were discussing the advantages and beauty
of dialects. I think we are on the same page.
I appreciate the comments however, sluggo, and
I hope the media do not destroy the diversity. I love
to hear Brits and Aussies speak. Also a good
Sutherner from Caroliner is fun to listen to!


Are you by any chance the Friend of Nancy and her
Aunt????
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Postby sluggo » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:04 pm

heh- no, although I do try to be cartoonish.

The moniker was given me from the adjective rather than the proper name. Upon arriving in Vermont for a getaway and yet not desiring to transplant trees, my hostess deemed me sluggish. Go figure :roll:
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Postby sluggo » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:09 pm

I was just about to respond to Beck's inquiry elsewhere (now lost) about the you-plural he rendered as yous.

This was prolly the prevailing you-plural where I grew up in SE PA, but in written form was rendered youse, I guess to make the U long. To my eyes the first time I saw it, I presumed what I was looking at should rhyme with house, louse and mouse. Didn't make the connection.

In normal speech the vowel is more like a [schwa] or "yuz" unless emphasizing the 2nd person target. I believe it's an Irishism.
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Postby LukeJavan8 » Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:20 pm

I remember the conversation.
Another beauty of our language. "youse" looks like
"house" and "mouse". Irishism: I think you are right.
I seem to remember "me sainted grandmither"
speaking thusly.

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Postby Audiendus » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:26 pm

Regarding the use of yall, yous etc, I wonder if a similar process took place with the Spanish vosotros, which simply means 'you' (plural), but is formed from the words vos otros ("you others"). They also say nosotros for 'we'.
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Postby LukeJavan8 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 8:33 pm

I spent time once teaching a young immigrant English.
And his comment was that 'vosotros' was really mostly
dead, like our use of 'thee, thine, thou," etc. But your
comment makes sense.
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