Here is a new take on "palimpsest" in a Los Angeles Times article about an artist who does "collaborative art", superimposing images over artists' work. Enjoy!
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/ne ... 6202.story
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Intriquing artistic concept, interesting article.
One of the most curious things about the article, to me, was the fact that the journalist never once used our subject word, 'palimpsest'.
Maybe I'm giving the Los Angeles Times too much credit?
One of the most curious things about the article, to me, was the fact that the journalist never once used our subject word, 'palimpsest'.
Maybe I'm giving the Los Angeles Times too much credit?
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My letter to L.A Times Art & Architecture reporter:
Dear Ms. Finkel:
I enjoyed very much your article about Kim Schoenstadt’s project at LACE. At the same time I wondered why you decided not to employ the word “palimpsest” in the article, considering that it seems particularly apt, at least as a comparison. Maybe next time?
Sincerely,
Monroe Thomas Clewis
Her reply reprinted with permission:
Dear Tom,
That is a very good point and a very good word, which weirdly did not come to mind for me and was not mentioned by artist. Though I was thinking about Luc Sante's book Low Life, which reads the city of New York as a palimpsest.
Will pass on suggestion to artist.
best wishes,
Jori
Jori Finkel
Arts Reporter
Los Angeles Times
202 W. 1st St.
Los Angeles, CA 90012
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culture ... ri-finkel/
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Dear Ms. Finkel:
I enjoyed very much your article about Kim Schoenstadt’s project at LACE. At the same time I wondered why you decided not to employ the word “palimpsest” in the article, considering that it seems particularly apt, at least as a comparison. Maybe next time?
Sincerely,
Monroe Thomas Clewis
Her reply reprinted with permission:
Dear Tom,
That is a very good point and a very good word, which weirdly did not come to mind for me and was not mentioned by artist. Though I was thinking about Luc Sante's book Low Life, which reads the city of New York as a palimpsest.
Will pass on suggestion to artist.
best wishes,
Jori
Jori Finkel
Arts Reporter
Los Angeles Times
202 W. 1st St.
Los Angeles, CA 90012
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culture ... ri-finkel/
http://www.twitter.com/jorifinkel
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Thanks for posting the letter!
Just think, Monroe...you have added an etymologically apropos touch to all of the artist's future press releases...you ROCK!
Just think, Monroe...you have added an etymologically apropos touch to all of the artist's future press releases...you ROCK!
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Going with the idea of a person being a palimpsest, I ran straight into the idea behind the movie "Total Recall". The hero's memories had supposedly been erased so that he couldn't act on what he'd come to know. I don't recall why they didn't simply kill him, but that's another discussion.
Here we have a supposed palimpsest of a human mind relearning, retracing the traces of what was in his mind before someone tried to turn it into a tabula rasa. Can a human be turned into a palimpsest? Do we really want to find out?
Here we have a supposed palimpsest of a human mind relearning, retracing the traces of what was in his mind before someone tried to turn it into a tabula rasa. Can a human be turned into a palimpsest? Do we really want to find out?
Life is like playing chess with chessmen who each have thoughts and feelings and motives of their own.
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Ah, but the idea here isn't just superimposing, it's eliminating the original. As far as I understand, and I'm far from an expert, we still can't really do this with a computer's hard-drive. You reformat it to hide incriminating evidence, yet someone can come along and dig up a great deal of it. Imagine if we could really do this to the human mind. No more bama, no more boy, no more 56, no more nincompoot. Nothing. You know only what we want you to know.Hmmm. Isn't that the point of brainwashing techniques? Superimposing new thoughts over the original ideas of the brainwashee. Just wondering.
First we imagine the mind as a plate of wax with lots of tiny etchings on it, our memories and knowledge. Then someone melts it down into a puddle and lets it congeal into a new pure tabula rasa. Now new thoughts and memories can be imprinted, with nothing remaining of the past. Would this be a palimpsest, or something else entirely?
Kind of like taking a painting, stripping the canvas of the paints, breaking it down into individual fibers, reweaving them into a new canvas, and making a new painting on that.
Palimpsest?
Life is like playing chess with chessmen who each have thoughts and feelings and motives of their own.
Spooky! Something out of Orwell's "1984". That one didn't end well, either. Still, complete erasure of one's mind and replacement of all thoughts/ideas? Not sure it can be done. Only in the sense that, like your computer analogy (and, like you, I'm far from an expert), even if you erased the hard drive and reformatted it, there are those who can still glean a lot of information from it. I would hope that if someone were to try to palimpsestize me, there would still be some of the old bama and boy and 56 left. Ha! Maybe I could talk them into just erasing the bad parts!
Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I'm going to change myself. -- Rumi
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A topic that is now running in the flashbacks to Calvin and Hobbes comics, http://imgsrv.gocomics.com/dim/?fh=e1e4 ... 0f&w=900.0Maybe I could talk them into just erasing the bad parts!
Life is like playing chess with chessmen who each have thoughts and feelings and motives of their own.
Total Loss, the sequil to Total recall
See the following discussion of what total memory loss would mean in practical terms:
"Total loss of memory would result in total loss of virtually everything. Think for a minute of what such a loss would mean. You could no longer converse with anyone because you would not remember any words or any language. You could not find your way home or anywhere else or even remember that any such place as home (or anywhere else) even existed. You could not remember that you could not remember.
Alzheimer’s dementia results in such total memory loss. Individuals lose recent memories; then memories of major events in their lives; then the names, faces, and personalities of those close to them; then their own names, faces, and personalities; then everything (e.g., Butler, Lewis, & Sunderland, 1998)."
Total memory loss would mean destruction of the self.
P.S. I know some jokes too.
"Total loss of memory would result in total loss of virtually everything. Think for a minute of what such a loss would mean. You could no longer converse with anyone because you would not remember any words or any language. You could not find your way home or anywhere else or even remember that any such place as home (or anywhere else) even existed. You could not remember that you could not remember.
Alzheimer’s dementia results in such total memory loss. Individuals lose recent memories; then memories of major events in their lives; then the names, faces, and personalities of those close to them; then their own names, faces, and personalities; then everything (e.g., Butler, Lewis, & Sunderland, 1998)."
Total memory loss would mean destruction of the self.
P.S. I know some jokes too.
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If, MTC, as you say, "Total memory loss would mean destruction of the self," then this poor British man gets destroyed once every 7 seconds. Now, that is sad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDNDRDJy ... re=related
Also, bamaboy56, did you know that it was Dr. Seuss that said, "Be who you are and say what you feel in your heart. Because those that matter, don't mind. And those that mind, don't matter."
He is one of my faves!
Slava,
Thanks for the Calvin and Hobbes. Blast from the past!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDNDRDJy ... re=related
Also, bamaboy56, did you know that it was Dr. Seuss that said, "Be who you are and say what you feel in your heart. Because those that matter, don't mind. And those that mind, don't matter."
He is one of my faves!
Slava,
Thanks for the Calvin and Hobbes. Blast from the past!
Sardith, thanks for letting me know it was Dr. Seuss who made the quote I like so much. Theodor Seuss Geisel was one of the best storytellers ever. ¡Viva Dr. Seuss! MTC, My mother-in-law had Alzheimer's and I saw first hand the progression of this awful disease. Very sad. Near the end she had no short-term memory at all although she could recall in detail things that occurred in her childhood. The last week of her life she had no memories at all. I've always said that there are worse things than dying. Alzheimer's is one of those things.
Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I'm going to change myself. -- Rumi
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