A discussion of word histories and origins.
3 posts • Page 1 of 1
- Dr. Goodword
- Site Admin
- Posts: 4253
- Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2005 9:28 am
- Location: Lewisburg, PA
The history of the words we speak is the history of ourselves. However, there are so many urban myths about the origins of words ("posh" comes from "port out, starboard homeward") that it is difficult to find ourselves for the trash. This is the place to come to sort these issues out.
• The Good Dr. Goodword
- Grand Panjandrum
- Posts: 1142
- Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:24 am
- Location: Stockholm, SVERIGE
But what is the origin of «posh» ? This is what Douglas Harper has to say, but I fear it doesn't help us overly much....
1918, of uncertain origin; no evidence for the common derivation from an acronym of port outward, starboard home, supposedly the shipboard accommodations of wealthy British traveling to India on the P & O Lines (to keep their cabins out of the sun); see objections outlined in G. Chowdharay-Best, "Mariner's Mirror," Jan. 1971. More likely from slang posh "a dandy" (1890), from thieves' slang meaning "money" (1830), originally "coin of small value, halfpenny," possibly from Romany posh "half."
- Posts: 113
- Joined: Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:46 am
- Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Michael Quinion explains:
The most probable solution—though unprovable because slang is so rarely written down—is that it comes from London street slang for money. This may well derive from Romany posh, half, originally applied to a halfpenny, then to any small sum of money, and then to money in general. This is recorded from as early as 1830 and was certainly still around in 1892 when Montagu Williams published his Down East and Up West, quoting in it a comment from a Londoner about a street singer who chatted up potential givers of money: “That sort of patter I was just speaking of is the thing to get the posh, they’ll tell you”. A shift in sense from “money”, to “well off”, and hence to “upper-class” is not too hard to imagine.
There is a more direct London slang sense of “dandy”, known at least from the 1890s, which is probably where George and Weedon Grossmith got the name of their character. This might be connected, or it might be a different word altogether.
Whatever its source, it looks from the evidence that posh in the modern sense was at first a military slang term of the First World War. Its first appearance is in the magazine Punch in September 1918, in which an RAF officer is saying to his mother, “Oh, yes, Mater, we had a posh time of it down there”; the verbal phrase to posh up, to make oneself smart, is of the same period.
"Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest." -- Mark Twain
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests