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Postby M. Henri Day » Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:58 am

Another, to my mind relevant article from the Science (Life) section of the Guardian....

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How time flies

For the Aymara people living in the Andes, the past lies ahead and the future lies behind. Laura Spinney looks at how different languages reflect, and shape, our conception of time

Laura Spinney
Thursday February 24, 2005

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The old man shields his eyes against the fierce light of the Altiplano and considers the question. When he talks about his ancestors, does he mean the Incas? No, he replies in a sort of Spanish creole, he means his great-great-grandfather. And with his right hand he makes a rotating gesture up and forwards from his body. The Incas, he adds, came way earlier. And with the same hand he sweeps even further forward, towards the mountains on the horizon.
In the next video clip, the researcher asks a woman to explain the origins of her culture. She starts by describing her parents' generation, then her grandparents', and so on, extending her arm further and further in front of her as she does so. Then she switches to talk about how the values of those earlier generations have been handed back to her (her hand gradually returns to her body from out front), and how she will in turn pass them on to her children (she thumbs over her shoulder).

The man and woman belong to an Amerindian group called the Aymara, who inhabit some of the highest valleys in the Andes - in their case, in northern Chile. The researcher is Rafael Núñez, a cognitive scientist at the University of California, San Diego, who is interested in how we develop abstract ideas like time. Núñez now believes that he has definitive evidence that the Aymara have a sense of the passage of time that is the mirror image of his own: the past is in front of them, the future behind.

With his collaborator, linguist Eve Sweetser, he will publish his findings later this year, but they have already prompted speculation as to whether other peoples might conceive of time like the Aymara. George Lakoff, a linguist at the University of California, Berkeley, thinks that it is a strong possibility. The clues lie in language, and as he points out, "There are 6,000 languages and most of them have never been written down." More fundamentally, Núñez and Sweetser's work highlights the illusory nature of time.

Time, as Einstein showed, is a tricky concept to nail down, and all languages resort to metaphor to express it. In fact, with staggering monotony, they all resort to the same metaphor: space. If an English speaker says: "We are approaching the deadline," he or she is expressing imminence in terms of nearness, a property of physical space. Anyone listening will understand exactly what he or she means, even though the deadline is not an entity that exists in the physical world. Núñez says: "There is no ultimate truth that you could discover that is outside that metaphor."

So if temporal landmarks don't exist except in our heads, where does our notion of time come from? And why do we feel so strongly a sense of time as motion? In all Indo-European languages including English, but also in languages as diverse as Hebrew, Polynesian, Japanese and Bantu, speakers face the future. Time flows from a point in front of them, through their current position - the present - and back to the past. The Aymara also feel time as motion, but for them, speakers face the past and have their backs to the future.

The Aymara word for past is transcribed as nayra , which literally means eye, sight or front. The word for future is q"ipa , which translates as behind or the back. The Jesuits undoubtedly noticed this oddity in the 16th century, when they ventured up into the mountains to spread the word. More recently, linguistic anthropologists have puzzled over what it means. In 1975, Andrew Miracle and Juan de Dios Yapita Moya, both at the University of Florida, observed that q"ipüru , the Aymara word for tomorrow, combines q"ipa and uru , the word for day, to produce a literal meaning of "some day behind one's back".

Over the years, rumours have surfaced of similar strangeness in other languages. Maori speakers use front-type words to signify events that happened earlier, Agathe Thornton, an expert in the Maori oral tradition reported in the 1980s. Malagasy, too, uses "in front of" to mean "earlier than". It began to look as if the Aymara weren't alone in spinning time's arrow - until in 1980, Lakoff and Mark Johnson, a philosopher at the University of Oregon, warned against jumping to that conclusion.

Lakoff and Johnson realised that not only could different languages use different metaphors for time, but a single language could contain more than one metaphor. In English, for instance, speakers switch between at least two different frames of reference when discussing the order of events, a trick Núñez has demonstrated in a simple experiment. Ask any randomly selected group of English speakers to answer this question: if a meeting scheduled for Wednesday is moved forward two days, what day will it fall on? "More or less 50% of the people will say Friday, and 50% will say Monday," says Núñez. The word "moved" allows the ambiguity that the meeting is either being moved forward in time, meaning it will happen later, or being brought closer in time to the person.

The reason for the split in answers is that half the people are using themselves as a reference. Time is moving towards them, so "forward" denotes into the future, hence Friday. But it is also possible to think in a temporal reference frame that excludes ego, as in, "Monday follows Sunday". In that case, it is as if the speaker is looking out onto a landscape or conveyor belt of time from which he or she is removed. And on that conveyor belt, later events come after, or behind earlier ones. So moving the meeting forward means moving it to Monday.

A complex system of rules governs which metaphor is appropriate in a given context, but as Núñez's experiment demonstrates, some situations are ambiguous. He and colleague Ben Motz have even biased people's choice towards the Monday response by showing them in advance a sequence of cubes moving across a screen, a motion scene that does not depend on the observer's location.

So when it came to the Aymara, Núñez decided to proceed cautiously: "The question that has never been asked of Aymara is, when they use these two words, nayra and q"ipa , are they using them with reference to themselves, or to another time?" If to another time, they may not be doing anything very differently from his North American subjects who thought that the meeting would fall on a Monday; if to themselves, then he would have concrete evidence of a conceptual chasm that exists between them and us, the future gazers.

To find out which it was, he decided to study Aymara gesture and speech simultaneously, because in gesture people tend to act out the metaphor they are using in speech. Think of a person expressing a choice, who holds her palms upwards and alters their height as if weighing something on scales.

Braving the thin air at 4,000 metres, he interviewed 27 adults, some of whom spoke only Aymara, some of whom were bilingual in Aymara and Spanish - chatting about old times and about future happenings in their community. In all, he collected about 20 hours of videotaped conversation, sections of which he later analysed for synchronicity of word and gesture. And he found that the Aymara did indeed have two frames of reference when it came to time.

When they talked about very wide time spans, their gestures indicated that they conceived of it spanning from left to right, excluding themselves. But when they talked about shorter spans, several generations say, the axis was front-back, with them at point zero. The gestures of the old man and the woman discussing their grandparents confirmed that they really did think of the past as in front of them.

Núñez thinks that the reason the Aymara think they way they do might be connected with the importance they accord vision. Every language has a system of markers which forces the speaker to pay attention to some aspects of the information being conveyed and not others. French emphasises the gender of an object (sa voiture , son livre), English the gender of the subject (his car, her book). Aymara marks whether the speaker saw the action happen or not: "Yesterday my mother cooked potatoes (but I did not see her do it)."

If these markers are left out, the speaker is regarded as boastful or a liar. Thirty years ago, Miracle and Yapita pointed to the often incredulous responses of Aymara to some written texts: "'Columbus discovered America' - was the author actually there?" In a language so reliant on the eyewitness, it is not surprising that the speaker metaphorically faces what has already been seen: the past. It is even logical, says Lakoff.

"This Aymara finding is big news," says Vyvyan Evans, a theoretical cognitive linguist at the University of Sussex. "It is the first really well-documented example of the future and past being structured in a totally different way from lots of other languages, including English."

But Evans's own research had already predicted that there would be people in the world who view time differently. The only thing that all humans have in common when it comes to temporal experience is their brains' perceptual mechanisms. "There is change in our environment, there is motion in our environment, and we need to be able to deal with that information," says Evans. The human brain has therefore evolved to be able to recognise three basic components of time: duration, simultaneity and repetition.

Most languages have ways of expressing these three phenomena, but they might combine them into metaphors that are culturally determined. English, for instance, offers the possibility of buying time, while Aymara does not. The availability of different metaphors orients the whole language towards a subtly different, and perhaps unique, view of time.

The closer the languages, the closer the metaphors. The Aymara have been pretty much isolated from the rest of the world for a long time, and for the moment, theirs is the only language in which a really dramatic divergence has been demonstrated. So it is hard to say to what extent their notion of time influences other areas of their thought-or how English or Hebrew speakers' influences theirs. "It may not affect everything, but it may affect a lot of important things," says Lakoff. "For instance, you're probably not going to get the same metaphors for progress."

In their 1975 paper, Miracle and Yapita described the "great patience" of the Aymara, who thought nothing of waiting half a day for a truck to take them to market. People from English-speaking cultures like to plan, and feel outraged when life intervenes. But if you can't see the future, says Marta Hardman, an anthropologist at the University of Florida, there seems less point in planning.

Hardman has studied the Aymara for 50 years - Miracle and Yapita were her students. When she first arrived among the Aymara of Peru in the 1950s, she was struck by the absence of a sexual hierarchy. People made much of remembering where you came from. That might mean your community or your ancestors, or your mother. Women were respected more than in her home town. "I was suddenly treated as a full person," she says.

And 50 years on, she can't help feeling that it is her native culture, not the Aymara, which is going against the grain. In English we are encouraged to ignore the past, she says. "We pretend it's not there, yet we're lugging it with us as we go."

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Postby anders » Wed Mar 02, 2005 12:45 pm

Núñez now believes that he has definitive evidence that the Aymara have a sense of the passage of time that is the mirror image of his own: the past is in front of them, the future behind.

I don't find it strange. What's in front uf us, we can see, like we know what has happened. The future is unseen, like we can't see what's behind us.

Regarding the moved meeting, I agree with the forward = postponed interpretation. But if I read a book and am told to jump 10 pages forward, I am not so sure. Moving closer to the back of the book doesn't always seem to be a forward direction.

Do you have any sense of up/down for time? Like, is tomorrow upwards or downwards from today? Before thinking of these things, I probably imagined us going up towards tomorrow. But aren't we like balls rolling inexorably downslope in time?
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Postby M. Henri Day » Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:54 pm

If indeed, (some) people have not merely a horizontal, but also a vertical temporal axis, it would interesting to know if and when the experience of the direction of time's movement changes from up to down. I think of those old paintings, often copied as embroidered maxims, of the career of life, rising until middle age, and then, as Anders puts it, «balls rolling inexorably» down the slope. And when the ball reaches level ground - what then ?...

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Postby Brazilian dude » Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:21 pm

"Yesterday my mother cooked potatoes (but I did not see her do it)."

That doesn't surprise me. Macedonian has two ways to express that in the past as well: Вчера мама ми вари компири - Včera mama mi vari kompiri (using the aorist, which expresses the action as something known and witnessed), and Вчера мама ми варила компири - Včera mama mi varila kompiri. (using the l-past, which is used when the speaker is not sure of the veracity of the event).

Romance languages have the same feature, they may use the perfect for the first case and the past conditional for the second case:
Ontem minha mãe cozinhou batatas.
Ontem minha mãe teria cozido batatas.

Do you have any sense of up/down for time? Like, is tomorrow upwards or downwards from today? Before thinking of these things, I probably imagined us going up towards tomorrow. But aren't we like balls rolling inexorably downslope in time?

I'm not the most indicated person to ask this to. My sense of dictionary is nonexistant. I sometimes get lost in my own town. When my grandma asks me to get a can of something in the cupboard for her, adding horrible words like behind, on the left, in front of, I just stand there, gaping, with my right index pulling my bottom lip down. When I go to the bank and see puxar (pull) and empurrar (push), I never know which one is which, so I try the first time and if doesn't work, I try again. Am I stupid?

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Postby anders » Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:53 pm

Not surprisingly, Bulgarian parallels Macedonian. The system of -l- forms is called narrative or renarrated forms.

Normally, childen's books are good readers for langage beginners. But in MacBul, they naturally abound in narrative forms, making them rather confusing during, say, the first year of study.
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Postby Brazilian dude » Wed Mar 02, 2005 9:50 pm

My sense of dictionary

My sense of dictionary? And nobody gave me the third degree for that one? I meant direction.

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Postby tcward » Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:51 pm

I was just about to rag you for the 'dictionary' slip-up, BD, but then I (thankfully) decided to read the rest of the thread first.

At first I thought 'sense of dictionary' was a reference to the 'front of the book' vs. 'back of the book' comment made earlier, so I had to re-read your sentence a few times to figure out you meant direction. ;)

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Postby Apoclima » Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:30 am

anders, that is really strange. These were exactly my first thoughts:

I don't find it strange. What's in front uf us, we can see, like we know what has happened. The future is unseen, like we can't see what's behind us.


What this article did for me is to make me realize that I think of the past as running back to the left of me and the future running off to the right of me! The present both in front and behind me.

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Postby anders » Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:20 am

There are innumerable interesting views on time. Once upon a time, and still in many Asian cultures, time was/is seen as circular (rebirths/reincarnations, the universe is periodically re-created according to Hindus etc.)

I'd rather see that view as a spiral (imagine an infinite bedspring), because it is not the same worlds that is re-created, but looking at the spiral from its bottom or top, it appears circular.

At some time in the Middle East, there was a transition to a linear view. How and why would be an interesting field of research (religious psychology, or history of science?); I have so far found nothing on the Internet or in study books.
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Time’s Hijinks

Postby Carlyle » Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:10 am

But then, of course, since we can live in neither the past nor the future but only “the present”, which has no dimension at all, we don’t exist…
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Postby anders » Sat Mar 05, 2005 5:41 am

... aka Zeno's paradox of the flying arrow, on about the second screenful of http://members.fortunecity.com/kokhuitan/greek.html

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Time flies like an arrow
Fruit flies like a banana.
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Postby Apoclima » Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:28 am

There's nothing like a Classical Education!

Thank you, anders! All the old friends!

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Postby M. Henri Day » Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:24 pm

anders wrote:... aka Zeno's paradox of the flying arrow, on about the second screenful of http://members.fortunecity.com/kokhuitan/greek.html.

Great site, Anders ! Actually, Eleatic Zenon’s paradoxes of motion, which did not show that the notion was an oxymoron, but rather that we (the more mathematically-minded members of H sap sap) did not at his time yet possess the requisite tools to adequately understand or describe the concept, were first solved by 17th century mathematicians like Newton and Leibniz with the discovery of the infinitesimal (differential) calculus (which in turn was put on a rigorous basis first 200 years later). Knowing that v = ds/dt, we can see that the arrow does not, in fact, stop in its flight, nor does it move at an infinite rate. The trick is, as always, to avoid calculations involving division by zero, and in particular constructions of the type 0/0….

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Postby Carlyle » Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:17 pm

anders wrote:I'd rather see that view as a spiral (imagine an infinite bedspring), because it is not the same worlds that is re-created, but looking at the spiral from its bottom or top, it appears circular.



Which would be in effect the same as a linear view of time (albeit spiralling around an axis)—unless you joined the spring’s beginning to its ending, thus reinventing the circular notion.


Did the Mesopotamian view of linear time follow the more Eastern notion of circular time, or was it the other way round?
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Re: Time's linguistic arrow reversed ?

Postby Carlyle » Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:33 pm

For the Aymara people living in the Andes, the past lies ahead and the future lies behind.



Perhaps the way to release the tension from the apparent differences in viewing time would be to have the Aymaran people cheerfully viewing their times past with their eyes in the fronts of their heads, while themselves moving through the great body of time backward (so to speak) rather than merely standing still and allowing Time to rush over them.

Their cultural orientation quite correctly puts the unkown “future” in a place where we cannot yet see it (behind our eyes). We cannot alter the flow of the great river Time by simply turning around in it.

Perspective can be a great friend or a fearful foe when it comes to observing “reality”.
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