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Postby Iterman » Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:51 am

The In Play part of the Good Word always contains one or two rather charming and fanciful names. This lead my thought to John and Jane Doe for unknown persons in (American?) English. Now, I can understand John as pretty common name and Jane as pretty similar to John, b u t w h y Doe?
In my neck of the woods, the equivalent would be NN (or N.N.) which errounously could be read no name but probably is Latin Non Nome (a wild guess).[/u]
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Postby Apoclima » Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:55 am

John Doe

Jack of nines?

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Postby Iterman » Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:01 am

Thank you.
So, Roe became Doe. I don't get it. :?
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Postby Flaminius » Fri Apr 29, 2005 11:53 am

To me, it's not as mysterious as Robert becoming Bob (R---> B)!

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Postby KatyBr » Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:13 pm

Well the Doe (goat) that until recently resided next door has moved on to greener pastures, pardon the pu. that's 2/3 of a pun, making it another pu......* yes, the neihgbors had a goat but are now goatless, Hooray!

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Postby Stargzer » Wed May 04, 2005 6:44 pm

Iterman wrote:Thank you.
So, Roe became Doe. I don't get it. :?


No, according to the link, in English Law Doe is a ficticious plaintiff, Roe a ficticious defendant. Both names are used for fictitious people.

See Jane Roe and Richard Roe as used in the background of the Roe v. Wade case. Doe and Roe seem to switch sides in the US and become defendant and plaintiff, respectively.

This John Doe article has a list of John Doe names used in various countries.

Australia -- Fred Nurk, Joe Farnarkle
Finland -- Matti and Maija Meikäläinen
Malta -- Joe Borg
Norway -- Ola and Kari Nordmann
Sweden -- Medel-Svensson, Sven Svensson
United Kingdom Fred Bloggs or Joe Bloggs, John Smith


Apparently one will be assimilated in Malta. :wink:
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Postby Brazilian dude » Wed May 04, 2005 9:45 pm

In Brazil: José da Silva.

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Postby tcward » Wed May 04, 2005 11:55 pm

I just have to say, whenever I see this thread title ('DOE'), I first think it's a discussion about the Department of Energy...

I don't know why.

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Postby Brazilian dude » Thu May 05, 2005 11:09 am

I think of Homer Simpson.

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Postby Stargzer » Thu May 05, 2005 1:35 pm

. . . deer and fish eggs . . .
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Postby Spiff » Wed May 11, 2005 9:36 am

Stargzer wrote:This John Doe article has a list of John Doe names used in various countries.

Australia -- Fred Nurk, Joe Farnarkle
Finland -- Matti and Maija Meikäläinen
Malta -- Joe Borg
Norway -- Ola and Kari Nordmann
Sweden -- Medel-Svensson, Sven Svensson
United Kingdom Fred Bloggs or Joe Bloggs, John Smith


Apparently one will be assimilated in Malta. :wink:


Joe Borg is actually a Maltese politician who is now a member of the European Commission
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Postby Iterman » Mon May 16, 2005 7:15 am

Stargzer wrote:
Australia -- Fred Nurk, Joe Farnarkle
Finland -- Matti and Maija Meikäläinen
Malta -- Joe Borg
Norway -- Ola and Kari Nordmann
Sweden -- Medel-Svensson, Sven Svensson
United Kingdom Fred Bloggs or Joe Bloggs, John Smith


No, no, no. "John Doe" could show up in a morgue, "Sven Svensson" could never do that. He could possibly do that in the context: Keep up with the Smiths.
"Medelsvensson" means an average or ordinary man and may be used in a newspaper article to explain life styles with/and statistics, but never among jurists*.
It saddens me that Wikipedia furnished this erroneous information.
But now I understand the difference of Roe vs Doe. Thank you! So now I wonder if Roe wins the litigation, whos going to pay whom if both are unknown to the the officers to the court.

* Jurist is a better word than law people, don't you think?
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Postby uncronopio » Mon May 16, 2005 6:09 pm

The good thing with Wikipedia is that you can fix errors. Just go to the page, click on "edit this page" and make the necessary changes.
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Postby Stargzer » Mon May 16, 2005 6:16 pm

Iterman wrote: . . .
No, no, no. "John Doe" could show up in a morgue, "Sven Svensson" could never do that. He could possibly do that in the context: Keep up with the Smiths.
"Medelsvensson" means an average or ordinary man and may be used in a newspaper article to explain life styles with/and statistics, but never among jurists*.
It saddens me that Wikipedia furnished this erroneous information.
But now I understand the difference of Roe vs Doe. Thank you! So now I wonder if Roe wins the litigation, whos going to pay whom if both are unknown to the the officers to the court.

* Jurist is a better word than law people, don't you think?


Ah, but Wikipedia is open for editing and correction. Check the site.

Roe and Doe may not be unknown. In Roe v. Wade, Roe was used to protect the woman's privacy.

A jurist is a legal scholar or specialist in the law, but doesn't necessarily have to be a lawyer or judge.
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Postby anders » Tue May 17, 2005 1:02 pm

Agreeing with Iterman, of course, on the general principles in Sweden. I am no law professional, but I have had occasion to use my code of laws book on several occasions. I never saw a proper name, invented or not, but always pronouns. In newspapers, names of people involved in court cases or similar sensitive environments are substituted in a very non-standardized way. No "Svensson", though. "Medelsvensson" rather means "the man in the street", a statistic mean value made flesh, like the Chinese 老百姓, lâobâixìng, old 100 names, "the one hundred most common surnames".

Stargzer wrote:In Roe v. Wade, Roe was used to protect the woman's privacy.

Many thanks! I have seen references to that case umpteen times on the non- and religious boards that I frequent, but until now I have thought that "Roe" was a real name.
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