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🎵 Wishin’ an’ . . . 🎵

Postby brogine » Mon Oct 24, 2022 4:02 pm

Came across ‘hope springs eternal’, and got to wondering if ‘eternal’ is ‘officially’ an adverb, as is ‘slow’.
Well, it is in the OED, but under ‘quasi-adv.’
Is this a generally accepted way of saying, ‘yeah, but in the way of poetic license’?

Okay, did some more research:

“In some unrevised OED entries, quasi- (meaning ‘having some but not all of the properties of’, ‘almost, virtually’) is used to modify grammatical terms. For example, a sense of a noun might be described as ‘quasi-adj.’, indicating that the noun is being used as if it were an adjective, or is very close to being an adjective. In revised entries, this term is not used: a word behaving as an adjective, for example, is treated as an adjective.”
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Re: 🎵 Wishin’ an’ . . . 🎵

Postby Audiendus » Tue Oct 25, 2022 2:26 am

Came across ‘hope springs eternal’, and got to wondering if ‘eternal’ is ‘officially’ an adverb, as is ‘slow’.
Well, it is in the OED, but under ‘quasi-adv.’
To me, it 'feels' more like an adjective. 'Eternal' is what hope is, rather than how it springs. Compare the following:

He died happy.
The river ran dry.
They are sitting pretty.

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Postby brogine » Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:23 pm

Point well-taken. I think I was attracted to the more poetic reading.

But now I think of it . . . if the hope is eternal, why and whence is it springing?

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Postby Audiendus » Wed Oct 26, 2022 12:26 am

Something like an everlasting fountain, perhaps? The fountain is eternal; the water springs.

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Postby brogine » Wed Oct 26, 2022 3:02 pm

Excellent point, although I’m not conceding.
Incidentally, the only citation of the phrase in the OED is in
Pope’s 1733 An Essay on Man.

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Postby Slava » Wed Oct 26, 2022 7:50 pm

I'd go with a simple poetically licensed shortening of 'eternally'. "Hope springs forever" doesn't quite cut it, does it?
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Re: 🎵 Wishin’ an’ . . . 🎵

Postby Audiendus » Thu Oct 27, 2022 1:59 am

But is it possible to spring eternally? 'Eternally' implies an unchanging state (e.g. 'exist eternally'), whereas 'spring' implies a change of state (an upward motion).

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Postby Slava » Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:06 am

It is the unchanging state of being in spring. Ever rising.
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Re: 🎵 Wishin’ an’ . . . 🎵

Postby brogine » Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:59 pm

Meanwhile, deeper in the weeds . . .

or, ‘eternal’ might be read as ‘continually’, rather than ‘continuously’.


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