we will be canvassing the area, but by and large [by in large?] we will be expecting the answer to come to us.
so which is it? Or neither? They both sound wrong, but then after cogitating a while on a single phrase it would.
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by and Large or by in large
by and Large or by in large
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According to the Good Doctor's Favorite, the American Heritage Dictionary, this was originally a nautical term, me hearty!:
Online Etymology Dictionary:The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
by and large
ADVERB: For the most part; generally: By and large, the play was a success.
ETYMOLOGY: Earlier, to (the wind) and off it, in one direction and another (said of the manner of handling a sailing vessel) : by[sup]1[/sup], toward + large, with the wind abaft the beam.
... By and large (1669) was originally nautical, "sailing to the wind and off it," hence "in one direction then another."
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So this expression could also be used to express a hopeless endeavor, because it is like trying to sail pointed to the wind with a spinnaker.by, toward + large, with the wind abaft the beam.
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No, I think "abaft the beam" means the wind is coming from behind the boat, so a spinnaker should fill out. Sailing into the wind can be done, but it's a rather tacky proposition so I'm told.
Stargzer is a stinkpotter, not a blow-boater.
Stargzer is a stinkpotter, not a blow-boater.
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"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
-- Attributed to Richard Henry Lee
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
-- Attributed to Richard Henry Lee
By and large
As a pirate, I would say translate as 'one way or another' , but as a non-pirate, I would say 'whatever'. By and large either way.
Just so. But it was written above that the by part means toward, hence my remark of tacking to the wind with a spinnaker.No, I think "abaft the beam" means the wind is coming from behind the boat, so a spinnaker should fill out. Sailing into the wind can be done, but it's a rather tacky proposition so I'm told.
Stargzer is a stinkpotter, not a blow-boater.
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Re: By and large
As a pirate, I would say "by and laarrrrrrge!"As a pirate, I would say translate as 'one way or another' , but as a non-pirate, I would say 'whatever'. By and large either way.
I've only ever heard it with "and". "By in large" would seem one of those spoken-to-written corruptions we all buy in large quantities...
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Yeah, that makes sense:
Unless, of course, one is referring to acquisition at a wholesaler or a store such as Sam's Club or BJ's, in which case it would be:
So, "by in large" can be shown to be the result of a mis-hearing of lazy speech.By and large
By 'n' large
By in large
Unless, of course, one is referring to acquisition at a wholesaler or a store such as Sam's Club or BJ's, in which case it would be:
Buy in large
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-- Attributed to Richard Henry Lee
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-- Attributed to Richard Henry Lee
Re: By and large
sluggo you are a hoot!As a pirate, I would say "by and laarrrrrrge!"As a pirate, I would say translate as 'one way or another' , but as a non-pirate, I would say 'whatever'. By and large either way.
I've only ever heard it with "and". "By in large" would seem one of those spoken-to-written corruptions we all buy in large quantities...
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Re: By and large
(Owl'll take that as a compliment.)sluggo you are a hoot!As a pirate, I would say "by and laarrrrrrge!"As a pirate, I would say translate as 'one way or another' , but as a non-pirate, I would say 'whatever'. By and large either way.
I've only ever heard it with "and". "By in large" would seem one of those spoken-to-written corruptions we all buy in large quantities...
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-such as "could of" for could have.
I couldn't of thought of it before of curse...
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Arrr! Thar be new iconogrrrrraphy! The saucy wench has arrrrrtdone herrrrself. Extra ration of grog!Avast! runnin' a reminder by large and small pirates that International Talk Like Pirate Day be advancin' smartly.
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Arrrr! That be right clever, matey!Shiver me appendix! Q-tip the deck!
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