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Innernet
Ok, so I'm from North Jersey (which I find interestingly enough that I say "North Jersey" rather than "Northern New Jersey"... bitter rivalry, I guess...) Anyhow, everywhere I go around here, whenever the internet is mentioned in conversation, it is pronounced "innernet". Now, it's not to say that this is the only word pronounced without the "t", but it's the only one I could think of off-hand.
Also, I find it strange that we don't pronounce our "t"'s around here correctly, turning them into "d"'s.
For instance, "William's mittens were too tight." becomes "William's middens were too tight."
Another "t"-related aspect is that we don't pronounce "t"'s when they are at the end of a word. "Heat" becomes "hea-" with a drop at the end that almost makes a faint gutteral noise or click.
Anybody know what I'm talking about?
Also, I find it strange that we don't pronounce our "t"'s around here correctly, turning them into "d"'s.
For instance, "William's mittens were too tight." becomes "William's middens were too tight."
Another "t"-related aspect is that we don't pronounce "t"'s when they are at the end of a word. "Heat" becomes "hea-" with a drop at the end that almost makes a faint gutteral noise or click.
Anybody know what I'm talking about?
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Betcha fi' dollurs I know what you're talking about.
Same thing around Philly (phully) really, where the neighbor is South Jersey. And in some of these (e.g. the guttural noise) you're talking about a glottal stop, also used for the middle Ts of mittens.
Good regional examples, though I think 'innernet' is fairly widespread lazy speech.
Same thing around Philly (phully) really, where the neighbor is South Jersey. And in some of these (e.g. the guttural noise) you're talking about a glottal stop, also used for the middle Ts of mittens.
Good regional examples, though I think 'innernet' is fairly widespread lazy speech.
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I'm not so sure about that one. I travel fairly often and I've noticed that people do a double-take when I say "innernet" or "middens". They understand me but I never hear anyone else say it- especially in the South....I think 'innernet' is fairly widespread lazy speech.
I have cousins in Georgia and ~pardon my singing~ DOWN IN THE HEART-UH TEXAS! who've gotten in debates with me about my pronunciation of certain words (or wards, as they calls'em down yahnduh)...
The only people that I hear pronounce these sounds are my relatives around the country who once resided in NJ.
My cousin Charlito's friends always poke fun at him because he uses that glottal stop you mentioned (yet, oddly enough, they don't notice it when he says "dawgs" instead of "dahgs")...
Funny stuff, regional differences, eh?
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Well I dunno, it seems most times if someone is particular to accentuate the middle T of internet it's the exception rather than the rule, from what I hear. But it's robably worth a poll.
Maybe I misunderstood your mittens though. If you're saying middens, that is indeed at variance with, for lack of a better term, "standard" national USEnglish, which usually employs the glottal stop: "MIT-Ns". How do you pronounce gotten?
I notice a similar dichotomy sometimes in words like wouldn't and couldn't, when a speaker inserts a vowel: "could-ent". This seems to appear more often in song, where the musical accent may not fit the syllable perfectly (though the standard "Could-Nt" is not using a glottal stop*, I'm not sure what the proper phonological term is here). It can also serve to clarify the meaning, since the word doesn't carry acoustically all that well without the inserted vowel.
*though there are speakers who do use a GS here, a third pronunciation you've probably heard as well.
I suspect accenting the T in internet is usually used for the same purpose, to emphasize the word within its context- or at least it has that effect. Generally with the inter- prefix, it seems to me we tend to elide the T when it's not accented: interview, intercourse, interlock, unless we're deliberately stressing the inter-ness of the concept... it's a very relative thing though, I guess we do generally replace the dentality of the T with a little aspiration just to mark it, and based on what I know of midAtlantic speech, I'd guess you're dropping that little aspiration as well as the dentality and maybe that's what flags you.
Don't know if this makes sense, but I just hope you're not going on the internets with mittens on ...
Maybe I misunderstood your mittens though. If you're saying middens, that is indeed at variance with, for lack of a better term, "standard" national USEnglish, which usually employs the glottal stop: "MIT-Ns". How do you pronounce gotten?
I notice a similar dichotomy sometimes in words like wouldn't and couldn't, when a speaker inserts a vowel: "could-ent". This seems to appear more often in song, where the musical accent may not fit the syllable perfectly (though the standard "Could-Nt" is not using a glottal stop*, I'm not sure what the proper phonological term is here). It can also serve to clarify the meaning, since the word doesn't carry acoustically all that well without the inserted vowel.
*though there are speakers who do use a GS here, a third pronunciation you've probably heard as well.
I suspect accenting the T in internet is usually used for the same purpose, to emphasize the word within its context- or at least it has that effect. Generally with the inter- prefix, it seems to me we tend to elide the T when it's not accented: interview, intercourse, interlock, unless we're deliberately stressing the inter-ness of the concept... it's a very relative thing though, I guess we do generally replace the dentality of the T with a little aspiration just to mark it, and based on what I know of midAtlantic speech, I'd guess you're dropping that little aspiration as well as the dentality and maybe that's what flags you.
Don't know if this makes sense, but I just hope you're not going on the internets with mittens on ...
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Everything you just said made a lot of sense!Well I dunno, it seems most times if someone is particular to accentuate the middle T of internet it's the exception rather than the rule, from what I hear. But it's robably worth a poll.
Maybe I misunderstood your mittens though. If you're saying middens, that is indeed at variance with, for lack of a better term, "standard" national USEnglish, which usually employs the glottal stop: "MIT-Ns". How do you pronounce gotten?
I notice a similar dichotomy sometimes in words like wouldn't and couldn't, when a speaker inserts a vowel: "could-ent". This seems to appear more often in song, where the musical accent may not fit the syllable perfectly (though the standard "Could-Nt" is not using a glottal stop*, I'm not sure what the proper phonological term is here). It can also serve to clarify the meaning, since the word doesn't carry acoustically all that well without the inserted vowel.
*though there are speakers who do use a GS here, a third pronunciation you've probably heard as well.
I suspect accenting the T in internet is usually used for the same purpose, to emphasize the word within its context- or at least it has that effect. Generally with the inter- prefix, it seems to me we tend to elide the T when it's not accented: interview, intercourse, interlock, unless we're deliberately stressing the inter-ness of the concept... it's a very relative thing though, I guess we do generally replace the dentality of the T with a little aspiration just to mark it, and based on what I know of midAtlantic speech, I'd guess you're dropping that little aspiration as well as the dentality and maybe that's what flags you.
Don't know if this makes sense, but I just hope you're not going on the internets with mittens on ...
As for the pronunciation of "gotten", I use the glottal stop or the "t" to "d" issue; actually, come to think of it, I use a little bit of both in my pronunciation!
Eh, it happens.
As far as putting emphasis on the "inter" of things, I can see where you're coming from that, but I do have to argue that it's really just the natural emphasis of syllables there, and not just utilizing the "t" because we can (if I made any sense whatsoever in that last run-on)...
Just another thing that comes to mind is that when reuttering the same sound, the second utterance loses its boldness. For instance "tea time": the second "t", the word "time" has the glottal stop for me.
Yet another thing I'd like to discuss is why this glottal stop even occured around these parts. Does German have this issue (being that this area had a high German/Scottish population during colonial times)?
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I have to wonder if we speak of the same thing here as glottal stops. Are you saying "tee-'ime" with no 2nd T?
...For instance "tea time": the second "t", the word "time" has the glottal stop for me.
I'm really curious now after researching to no avail, on what the term is for the voiced-as-opposed-to-glottal d>n sound in couldn't...
Voilá, Gailr...... it's robably worth a poll.
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I was out and missed this the first couple times around. Good to see you're checking your own paper. But I'm sure it was there and you just weren't...plosiving...it? Or mebbe yer were on the intarrrwebs wif mi'ens?Voilá, Gailr...
shacolourdes: I had a coworker of PennDutch descent. Despite living in the mittest of the mitwest, she wore middens. (ew!)
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I was out and missed this the first couple times around. Good to see you're checking your own paper. But I'm sure it was there and you just weren't...plosiving...it? Or mebbe yer were on the intarrrwebs wif mi'ens?Voilá, Gailr...
Very magnanimous of ye, considering with robably in play you could've given me a good dressing-down
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Uh, Midden is something else altogether. Old mittens may end up in one ......
I'm not so sure about that one. I travel fairly often and I've noticed that people do a double-take when I say "innernet" or "middens". ...
"Eh?" at the end of a sentence? The Americans who escaped from the Embassy in Tehran to the Candian Embassy had to learn to say "Eh?" at the end of their sentences to pass for Canadians to escape Iran.Funny stuff, regional differences, eh?
Regards//Larry
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It seems most unseemly to be wearing that.Uh, Midden is something else altogether.......
I'm not so sure about that one. I travel fairly often and I've noticed that people do a double-take when I say "innernet" or "middens". ...
Funny stuff, regional differences, eh?
All this time I thought they had it rough, now we find out they were at the Embassy of Candy."Eh?" at the end of a sentence? The Americans who escaped from the Embassy in Tehran to the Candian Embassy had to learn to say "Eh?" at the end of their sentences to pass for Canadians to escape Iran.
Canada: C, eh?... N, eh?.. D, eh?
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I guess "eh" be fightin' words!!!!Uh, Midden is something else altogether. Old mittens may end up in one ......
I'm not so sure about that one. I travel fairly often and I've noticed that people do a double-take when I say "innernet" or "middens". ...
"Eh?" at the end of a sentence? The Americans who escaped from the Embassy in Tehran to the Candian Embassy had to learn to say "Eh?" at the end of their sentences to pass for Canadians to escape Iran.Funny stuff, regional differences, eh?
Hehehe... I didn't think that anyone would care that I used "eh" at the end of my semi-rheutorical question!
O well, c'est la vie...
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Oh! That's from the part of Canada that doesn't want to be part of Canada!...
O well, c'est la vie...
Regards//Larry
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Re: Innernet
...so I'm from North Jersey (which I find interestingly enough that I say "North Jersey" rather than "Northern New Jersey"... bitter rivalry, I guess...)
North Jersey, Canada, same difference.Oh! That's from the part of Canada that doesn't want to be part of Canada!...
O well, c'est la vie...
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Re: Innernet
Hey, I used to go on periodic business trips to a computer center in Carlstadt. We had great breakfasts at a little diner, the Colonial, in Lyndhurst, and good seafood at a place I thought was called The Barge, which was on a barge on the waterfront, but I can't seem to find it now.... North Jersey, Canada, same difference.
However, at the computer center they made sure we knew to use the bottled water to make the coffee, not the tap water.
And Northern NJ is the only place I remember seeing those jug-handle intersections for making left turns.
Regards//Larry
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
-- Attributed to Richard Henry Lee
"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
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Re: Innernet
They have to tell people that??...
However, at the computer center they made sure we knew to use the bottled water to make the coffee, not the tap water.
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