Consider the following sentences:
(1) I will go out tomorrow if it is not cold.
(2) I will go out tomorrow unless it is cold.
(3) I would go out now if it were not cold.
(4) I would go out now unless it were cold.
We can replace (1) with (2) without changing the meaning, but we cannot replace (3) with (4). Why? How would you explain the difference, in grammatical terms, to someone learning English?
If not/Unless
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Re: If not/Unless
My take is that 4 is not a valid sentence. It feels like it's trying to be a counterfactual subjunctive, but something is off.
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agreedMy take is that 4 is not a valid sentence. It feels like it's trying to be a counterfactual subjunctive, but something is off.
never heard of the 4 variant of pronunciation before
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That #4 sure is off. The more I look at it, the less sense it makes.
That #4 sure is off. The more I look at it, the less sense it makes.
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#4 is definitely off, but can we establish exactly why? What do you think about #5/6?
(4) I would go out now unless it were cold.
(5) I would help you now if you did not object.
(6) I would help you now unless you objected.
What if we omit the 'now'?
I wonder if this is a semantic rather than a grammatical problem. In the context of (4), I know it is cold.
(4) I would go out now unless it were cold.
(5) I would help you now if you did not object.
(6) I would help you now unless you objected.
What if we omit the 'now'?
I wonder if this is a semantic rather than a grammatical problem. In the context of (4), I know it is cold.
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Re: If not/Unless
4's verbs don't match. "I would go out now, unless it is cold" makes sense, especially if there's a way to make the would stressed.
5 means the offer has been made and been objected to. It could just as well be, "I would help you, if you had not objected."
6 suffers from the same affliction as 4. Make it "I would help you now, unless you object" and it works. Otherwise, the verb tenses are in conflict.
I don't think the now is necessary, or plays any role.
That, at least, is my take. Any writers or grammar nerds out there?
5 means the offer has been made and been objected to. It could just as well be, "I would help you, if you had not objected."
6 suffers from the same affliction as 4. Make it "I would help you now, unless you object" and it works. Otherwise, the verb tenses are in conflict.
I don't think the now is necessary, or plays any role.
That, at least, is my take. Any writers or grammar nerds out there?
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